
Interview of Peter Paul discussing the 2000 fund raiser for Mrs. Clinton. Mrs. Clinton was dismissed as a defendant in a civil suit filed by Mr. Paul in 2004 concerning the event, and the ruling was recently upheld by the a California appeals court.
Mr. Paul gives he side of the story in this video.
This is a two part video, part two begins with the video of Mrs. Clinton admitting that Kelly Craighead had fully briefed Mrs. Clinton on the fund raising event, this would be in violation of FEC laws.
Note also that in the recent ruling the three judges would not review the tape provided by Mr. Paul.
ajs:
I hate to say, "Yawn," but:
Yawn.
Who the hell gives a crap that some other two-bit loser is prosecuting some two-bit phony-baloney lawsuit that has the the name "Clinton" attached to it?
Really. It's boring now. Can we stop it already?
... this would be in violation of FEC laws.
Oh, and here's clue: It's not your ill-informed assessment that matters, it's the judges' assessment that matters.
Really. It's boring now. Can we stop it already?
I don't plan to stop, it isn't boring to me, sorry to let you down.
Oh, and here's clue: It's not your ill-informed assessment that matters, it's the judges' assessment that matters.
What am I ill-informed about Jack?
ajs:
What am I ill-informed about Jack?
That Hillary violated FEC laws. You're welcome to your ill-informed and wrong opinion, but that question has been litigated. You yourself linked the outcome.
And listen to me. I want Hillary to not be president only slightly less than you do, probably, but some idiotic lawsuit by some idiot somewhere that's been repeatedly shown to be without merit ain't the way to stop the Clintons.
Er. It's been done. Didn't work.
Actually the comment refering to the violation of FEC laws was about a tape that the judges refused to view, so in my humble opinion this is not yet a dead issue.
I get the feeling that we'll be hearing a lot more of this story ad nauseum if/when Clinton gets the Dem nod, which I do not want either. The Clintons, like the Bushes, seem to be crime families.
I am by no means a supporter of Hillary but I don't find this video particularly convincing of anything.
I'm pretty much with dusty. But I also believe that there is SO MUCH of this stuff out there, that something is bound to surface between now and November '08 to sink her.
crutch:
Famous.
Last.
Words.
I'm not joking. We've been hearing some variation of this bull@!$%#:
that something is bound to surface between now and November '08 to sink her.
since
and it hasn't happened yet. So, don't you think it's time to presume that it's not going to happen?
Fair enough. Perhaps it's just wishful thinking on my part.
Seriously AJS -- Clinton's greatest strength is that everyone who is ever going to hate her hates her already and everything bad that she's ever done, been associated with, or even though about once or twice on an idle Thursday has been vetted in the media, bandied about on right-wing-wank-fests like Rush's show, and moved rapidly into the realm of wing-nut-conspiracy theory.
I mean really -- look at the material you're generating. Look at what's being thrown against her! It reads like a political version of the X-files. You want traction with the American public you need something way more concrete than that. You need something that doesn't make you sound like a paranoid kook with a grudge against anyone named Clinton.
Trust me, I know -- I've been railing against Bush for the last 7 years and rest assured that there is a lot of idiotic clap-trap out there that I try to avoid because it will damage my credibility and the credibility of my political allies if/when something really solid comes along.
The Clinton Conspiracy Camp is just a right-wing version of the 9-11 truthers in my mind. Ya'll need to get a grip.
You're argument is laughable Kill, I should stop exposing Mrs. Clinton because she is already disliked by so many.
I guess the next time you seed an article critical of President Bush you would have no trouble with me arguing that there is no point to seed it because he is already disliked by so many, give me a break.
You're argument is laughable Kill, I should stop exposing Mrs. Clinton because she is already disliked by so many.
What? I didn't argue that! I argued that you will better protect your legitimacy as a political commentator and better protect your ability to attack Clinton if you focus your critiques onto things which are more concrete and have more substance than stuff like this. This video and many of other stuff churned out by the Clinton Conspiracy Camp is just so moon-bat that it discredits all legitimate critiques of Clinton. Flood the airwaves with enough of this and no one will take anything said against her seriously.
My bit about Clinton being as unpopular as she's likely to get is only to suggest that fringe stuff like this isn't going to get much traction because the only people who are going to buy into it are the ones who have long ago made up their minds.
Bring something concrete to the table, however, and you might change some minds.
Sorry if that was unclear. I'm more than willing to consider arguments and points against Mrs Clinton, but if they're just the same CCC paranoia it's not worth my time. Since there really aren't many undecideds on Mrs Clinton, I think you'll find that most who don't hate her feel the same way.
Nothing new here. Just the rich ripping off the rich. Big deal.
Apparently prison is no longer rehab... It's fuel for the fire when someone comes along and tries to help someone they support.
"You mean to tell me this man went to prison? And now he's donating the campaign X? They must be crooks."
Get real. I watched this video from the link on Digg. It's a joke. Besides, when you have that kind of money, and that many people, you can dig up bad apples all week long. It's a shame the accusations never went anywhere, if it had, your seed might say more to me than the partisan banter it is obviously meant to be. If justice is truly blind (I hate to be one of those off topic it's Bush's fault people but) the scales of immorality would be far heavier on the side of war versus stealing money from the rich to give to the rich. Campaign finance fraud versus big oil/big business (that's what the Bush/Cheney machine is, a business) lying us into war for profit. Have fun with that one.
yeah so a criminal is funded by a famously partisan mn to give his "side of the story"
as far as i remember the clintons didnt get convicted.. but i dont hear a bunch of "innocent till proven guilty" from ajs today. OOh well i guess he only belives in things liek that when people attack the GOP. AND OMG Clinton had a clinton appointed judge??
hmm
lets see unlike bush and the judge that actually overturned his tretement of padilla?? unlike fitzgerald, a republican appointed prossecutor, who was appointed to the libby case byt eh republican appointed AG. SO
"bush does it too". I admit there is a greta chance of problems letting non indpenddant judges oversee the gov.. but atleast a couple of bushs judges rebuked bush. I am quite sure though the crap would hit the fan if we picked only judges from the other party.
OK will all that said. The gop wants clinton to win teh dem nomination more than th4e dems to. And she is more of the same paid for and bought corporate bs poltician. Net netrality?? uinlikely with how much the telecos gave her.. end the war?? unlikely with how much the defence contractors gave her. I dont like hilary, did she do something ethically wrong by asking and not getting a donation from cher in the form of a free concert?? yeah sure?? was the gop wrong for scedualling usesless gov activity to coinincide with gop funderaisers in violation of the hatch act. sure they did. Des it make it right?? nope. DO we need to get all these corrupted jerks out of gov. SUre thing.
But serious ajs this is week and i can find much much better reasons to attack hilary and if you want to distance her from the4 left.. post all the contributions she has gotten and where.
FOr example..
Ron paul leads all teh candidates with contributions from our great soldiers right now in harms way..
hilary is one of the top getting contributions for military contractors.
I dont know but i bet the one that supports the troops the most is the one supported by the troops.
Hillary's just bundling from the small fry now. She's holding the Riady boys on the bench for the general.
Small stuff, really. Only the seriously demented give a hoot.
But isn't that what this is about?
Given the silence, I surmise that Hillary wins.
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